Situation now resolved - (Title of post changed)
**Editors note: The title of this blog was changed. The woman I was referring to has replied in the comments section and as requested her name has been removed from this post. My thanks to Jay Telegdi from Ryerson's Model United Nations for supporting information and Samir for the constant inspiration.**
(That title should allow her to find this 'jejune' post easily)
Above you will find the entire Google Cached page containing what I posted about under the title "Refugees out? What!?" If you clicked on the link contained in my post today however, that is not what you would read. Rather you would see the following:
Let me start off by saying that what she posted on her webpage (linked in her name) and what she posted on the Metroblogging site differ slightly only in the way she attacks me personally.
...and...
Isn't this awesome stuff? Since the rest is pretty much the same in both spots let's get to her actual arguments. (Those are the words that come after her emotional outbursts.)
First off I agree I did paraphrase her words. I did indeed copy them out word for word exactly as laid out though they were not all that was written. However I really don't think I bastardized her words as she stated. Her words were not lowered in character..in fact I think the character shines right through!
If you check my previous and un-edited post there is a link to the page under the name Sadie. Since my post was not a response to them both rather than one I only published the link one time. If you did click on it though you would have read the entire page just like I had. That is until she went back and edited it.
I had no need to repost all of what was said by MJ about the UN because she technically was just responding in kind to what Sadie wrote. How did I know that? She wrote "Good idea Sadie--let the UN do something good for a change..." then she talks about her take on the New Orleans event. Interesting perhaps but whether included or not this does nothing to change what she was quoted on.
Her new post for that day reads: "That will never happen. Nor did I say it ought to."
Please re-read her original post: "We ought to at least stop inviting..if we cannot expel the existing lot" Hmm?
It was a fun response MJ. And by the way your attack on my not commenting.. I could have set myself up on that site to respond..the funny thing is you can respond on my site at any time. Anon even. So your arguments...hold no water.
About the US "shouldering the responsibility for world refugees" (which she says perhaps Canada should now do thanks to my post), some facts may be helpful.
The United Nations High Commision for Refugees (UNHCR) in Dec 2004 stated that there were approximately 9.2 million refugees. (This figure does not include 4 million Palestinian refugees)
According to the UNHCR report (dated June 20, 2005), at the end of 2004 the US was in the 5th spot of Countries for Asylum. Would you like 1-4? Sure!
1. Islamic Republic of Iran 1,046,000 +6.2% from the start of the year
2. Pakistan 960,000
3. Germany 876,622
4. Tanzania 602,100
5. United States 420,900 -7.0% from the start of the year
And how many new asylum claims did the US receive in 2004? 27,900. Only 2,100 more than Canada and less than South Africa, the UK, Germany and France.
In other words the Ratio of Refugees to Pop (based on CIA World Fact Book data) is:
Iran - 1.54% in a country the size of Alaska.
USA - 0.14%.
How are those shoulders feeling now?
ps. If you are talking about World Issues, then the place someone lives in doesn't matter. You can't be in Canada and have an opinion on what the US does! This logic makes sense to people out there? Besides I myself am a Hoosier, born in Indiana and raised in Ontario. I fail to see how any of this makes me unable to comment on this issue. Besides the facts speak for themselves.
Hey Samir, now I know how you felt at times...
(That title should allow her to find this 'jejune' post easily)
Above you will find the entire Google Cached page containing what I posted about under the title "Refugees out? What!?" If you clicked on the link contained in my post today however, that is not what you would read. Rather you would see the following:
Let me start off by saying that what she posted on her webpage (linked in her name) and what she posted on the Metroblogging site differ slightly only in the way she attacks me personally.
Malevolent Maple-Leafer Misquotes Me
I will not post the reactionary janitor's comments here. His pseudonym is Sj.
...and...
by a malevolent Canadian who is too timid (read cowardly) to reveal his real name. Sj is his handle.
Isn't this awesome stuff? Since the rest is pretty much the same in both spots let's get to her actual arguments. (Those are the words that come after her emotional outbursts.)
First off I agree I did paraphrase her words. I did indeed copy them out word for word exactly as laid out though they were not all that was written. However I really don't think I bastardized her words as she stated. Her words were not lowered in character..in fact I think the character shines right through!
This poor fellow cannot understand what I said, much less what the author of the thread said! He did not cite my whole response to the lady, Sadie, in which I spoke of the United Nations. He neglected to state the source of the copied quote-- Sj only put the second part of it, followed by my name, (M----- J-----). To top it off, he is a Canadian resident of Toronto, which further disqualifies him from weighing-in on the United States' excessive largesse to its various immigrants and their "refugee" status.
If you check my previous and un-edited post there is a link to the page under the name Sadie. Since my post was not a response to them both rather than one I only published the link one time. If you did click on it though you would have read the entire page just like I had. That is until she went back and edited it.
I had no need to repost all of what was said by MJ about the UN because she technically was just responding in kind to what Sadie wrote. How did I know that? She wrote "Good idea Sadie--let the UN do something good for a change..." then she talks about her take on the New Orleans event. Interesting perhaps but whether included or not this does nothing to change what she was quoted on.
Her new post for that day reads: "That will never happen. Nor did I say it ought to."
Please re-read her original post: "We ought to at least stop inviting..if we cannot expel the existing lot" Hmm?
It was a fun response MJ. And by the way your attack on my not commenting.. I could have set myself up on that site to respond..the funny thing is you can respond on my site at any time. Anon even. So your arguments...hold no water.
About the US "shouldering the responsibility for world refugees" (which she says perhaps Canada should now do thanks to my post), some facts may be helpful.
The United Nations High Commision for Refugees (UNHCR) in Dec 2004 stated that there were approximately 9.2 million refugees. (This figure does not include 4 million Palestinian refugees)
According to the UNHCR report (dated June 20, 2005), at the end of 2004 the US was in the 5th spot of Countries for Asylum. Would you like 1-4? Sure!
1. Islamic Republic of Iran 1,046,000 +6.2% from the start of the year
2. Pakistan 960,000
3. Germany 876,622
4. Tanzania 602,100
5. United States 420,900 -7.0% from the start of the year
And how many new asylum claims did the US receive in 2004? 27,900. Only 2,100 more than Canada and less than South Africa, the UK, Germany and France.
In other words the Ratio of Refugees to Pop (based on CIA World Fact Book data) is:
Iran - 1.54% in a country the size of Alaska.
USA - 0.14%.
How are those shoulders feeling now?
ps. If you are talking about World Issues, then the place someone lives in doesn't matter. You can't be in Canada and have an opinion on what the US does! This logic makes sense to people out there? Besides I myself am a Hoosier, born in Indiana and raised in Ontario. I fail to see how any of this makes me unable to comment on this issue. Besides the facts speak for themselves.
Hey Samir, now I know how you felt at times...
8 Comments:
At 08 October, 2005 16:10, Anonymous said…
I really like your argument because its based on facts not on emotions ... Good job doing that research I wish ppl would do that more BEFORE they posted things ..especially on matters as important as these!
At 09 October, 2005 15:15, Sj said…
Pas de probleme et merci beaucoup.
Seriously.. thank you.
At 09 October, 2005 17:16, Anonymous said…
Miss MJ,
Much as I would like to reply to the sheer ignorance and small-sightedness of your response to Sadie and the inadequacy of the subsequent retraction of your extremely offending statements, however, I'm more tempted to answer to your very surprising interpretation of the term..."woman of the world." If I were you, I'd have taken that as a compliment, not an insult. The term man/woman of the world is supposed to mean a worly person - someone who's aware of what goes on around them. I think you confused that term with "woman of the night", which has questionable connotations.
As you put it, the internet may not be a very nice place, but everyone is responsible for the way they react to another individual. Just as in real life you would be respectful of other people's opinion and afford them the courtsey of listening to them and not subjecting them to hurtful insults; the very same is expected of so-called bloggers. Anonimity does not imply the unchecked lisence to do or say what one pleases. Please do not swear off blogging. It's how we all become aware of how people think around the world. However, some respect for the intelligence and views of others and some restraint will serve you well on the interent or any other arena of life. Thank you!
At 09 October, 2005 18:02, Sj said…
I'm pleased that you recognized your error MJ but that comment was not directed to Ritu but what you wrote was intended for me. It was only afterwards that you realized your mistake. You are once again reacting without thinking and throwing back at me obviously the anger you still held at what I wrote. So which post did you mean? The original apology or the subsequent attacks? I am still wondering why the term 'janitor' was used...
Please take the time to read carefully before trying to make what sounds like a well thought out response.
This consideration will be much appreciated.
At 09 October, 2005 18:12, Anonymous said…
MJ,
Please go read my response again and again (maybe a few readings won't go amiss). There's a difference between dismissing your opinion, and calling your name-calling and "jumping to conclusions" insulting. If you read my words carefully, I did not discuss the merits of your views at all. What I discussed and took exception to, was the way you conduct yourself in discussions. Trust me, if you are at all as knowledgleable or insightful as you propose to be, you'll see the intent of my words. In plain english, "say what you like, just do it politely".
Your opinions are your own, and as such I don't care if you are as ignorant as you sound, and trust me, I have the guts to stand behind my words. But, before you give your typing fingers the leave to jump to the keyboard. Read carefully, assess logically, and write thoughfully...as befits your experience of the world. The fact that you've made so many errors in addressing this issue tells me that you're dealing with this emotionally. This is not a personal attack at you, just at the childish way you deal with discussing serious socio-political issues...
At 09 October, 2005 19:56, Sj said…
Well, I am happy that the question was answered. But please let me point out that though a Janitor may perform maintenance, a maintenance worker is not always a Janitor.
Your comment definitely gave the appearance (to more people than just me) that you likened being a Janitor to the 'jejune' comments being made. Otherwise there was no reason to A) Include a job description and because B) Making it up seems to infer that due to your low estimation of the intellectual content contained in my reply - I must be of said occupation. (seemingly what was said in your own words)
This is but a small part of what went into Ritu's comment "This is not a personal attack at you, just at the childish way you deal with discussing serious socio-political issues..."
Hence the other comment "But, before you give your typing fingers the leave to jump to the keyboard. Read carefully, assess logically, and write thoughfully...as befits your experience of the world."
At 09 October, 2005 21:24, Anonymous said…
This totally reminds me of dealing with jcrue or John (to name a few) during the old TR&R days...
At 10 October, 2005 15:45, kristin said…
i just want to know how a janitor got to be so smart. weird...
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